Legislature(2021 - 2022)SENATE FINANCE 532

03/10/2021 09:00 AM Senate FINANCE

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09:01:34 AM Presentation: Alaska Energy Authority - Update on Assets, Projects, Grants & Loans
10:30:28 AM Adjourn
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                 SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                      March 10, 2021                                                                                            
                         9:00 a.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:00:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Bishop called the  Senate Finance Committee meeting                                                                    
to order at 9:00 a.m.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Click Bishop, Co-Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Bert Stedman, Co-Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Lyman Hoffman                                                                                                           
Senator Donny Olson                                                                                                             
Senator Natasha von Imhof                                                                                                       
Senator Bill Wielechowski                                                                                                       
Senator David Wilson                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
None                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Curtis Thayer, Executive  Director, Alaska Energy Authority,                                                                    
Department of Commerce, Community and Economic Development.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION: ALASKA  ENERGY AUTHORITY - UPDATE  ON ASSETS,                                                                  
PROJECTS, GRANTS & LOANS                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:01:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CURTIS THAYER, EXECUTIVE  DIRECTOR, ALASKA ENERGY AUTHORITY,                                                                    
DEPARTMENT OF  COMMERCE, COMMUNITY AND  ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT                                                                    
(via  teleconference),  discussed the  presentation  "ALASKA                                                                    
ENERGY AUTHORITY  - Senate Finance Committee  - February 25,                                                                    
2021."                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:02:26 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer showed slide 2, "WHO WE ARE":                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Created in  1976 by the Alaska  Legislature, the Alaska                                                                    
     Energy Authority  (AEA) is a public  corporation of the                                                                    
     State of Alaska  governed by a board  of directors with                                                                    
     the mission to  "reduce the cost of  energy in Alaska."                                                                    
     AEA is  the state's energy  office and lead  agency for                                                                    
     statewide energy policy and program development.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:02:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer looked at slide 3, "WHAT WE DO":                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Railbelt   Energy  -   AEA   owns   the  Bradley   Lake                                                                    
     Hydroelectric  Project and  the Alaska  Intertie. These                                                                    
     assets benefit Railbelt consumers  by reducing the cost                                                                    
     of power.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Power Cost  Equalization - The Power  Cost Equalization                                                                    
     Program  reduces  the  cost  of  electricity  in  rural                                                                    
     Alaska   for   residential  customers   and   community                                                                    
     facilities.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Rural  Energy -  AEA constructs  bulk fuel  tank farms,                                                                    
     diesel powerhouses,  and electrical  distribution grids                                                                    
     in rural villages. AEA supports  the operation of these                                                                    
     facilities   through   circuit  rider   and   emergency                                                                    
     response programs                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Renewable Energy  - AEA  provides renewable  energy and                                                                    
     energy  efficiency grants,  analysis, and  expertise to                                                                    
     benefit Alaskans.  These include hydro,  biomass, wind,                                                                    
     solar, and others. Grants and  Loans AEA provides loans                                                                    
     to local utilities,  local governments, and independent                                                                    
     power  producers for  the  construction  or upgrade  of                                                                    
     power generation and other energy facilities                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Energy  Planning  -  In collaboration  with  local  and                                                                    
     regional  partners, AEA  provide critical  economic and                                                                    
     engineering analysis  to plan  the development  of cost                                                                    
     effective energy infrastructure.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer specified that the Alaska Energy Authority was                                                                       
requesting a reappropriation of existing RPF funding from                                                                       
cancelled projects.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:04:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer referenced slide 4,  "OUR PROJECTS," which showed                                                                    
a map of the state depicting projects across the state.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:05:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Hoffman  referenced slide  3.  He  asked about  the                                                                    
weatherization program  and whether it fell  under renewable                                                                    
energy efforts. He  wondered how much would be  spent on the                                                                    
program to reduce energy costs for Alaskans.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer explained  that the  weatherization program  was                                                                    
handled  through  the  Alaska  Housing  Finance  Corporation                                                                    
(AHFC). He continued that AEA  worked with local communities                                                                    
in dealing with powerhouses and looking at waste heat.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Bishop  asked whether the  AEA circuit  riders were                                                                    
direct employees.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer  affirmed that circuit  riders were  employees of                                                                    
AEA  and  the  state.  He furthered  that  funding  for  the                                                                    
positions were  a partnership with the  Denali Commission as                                                                    
well as  federal receipt authority. There  were four circuit                                                                    
riders that worked in rural Alaska.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:06:49 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer reviewed slide 5, "PROGRAMS AND PROJECTS":                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
      Bradley Lake Hydroelectric                                                                                             
      West Fork Upper Battle Creek Diversion                                                                                 
      SSQ Transmission Line                                                                                                  
      Alaska Intertie                                                                                                        
      Power Cost Equalization                                                                                                
      Rural Power System Upgrades                                                                                            
      Bulk Fuel Upgrades                                                                                                     
      Alternative Energy + Energy Efficiency                                                                                 
      Renewable Energy Fund                                                                                                  
      Power Project Fund                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Bradley  briefly  detailed the  projects  and  programs                                                                    
listed on the slide.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer showed  slide 6,  "OWNED ASSETS."  He turned  to                                                                    
slide 7, "BRADLEY LAKE HYDROELECTRIC PROJECT":                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
      Benefits 500,000+   members  of   Chugach  Electric                                                                    
        Association, City of Seward,  Golden Valley Electric                                                                    
        Association,   Homer   Electric   Association,   and                                                                    
        Matanuska Electric Association                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
      Produces ~10%  of   Railbelt  electricity   at  4.5                                                                    
        cents/kWh                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
      Over $20 million in  savings per  year to  Railbelt                                                                    
        utilities Bradley Lake versus natural gas                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer addressed slide 8, "WEST FORK UPPER BATTLE CREEK                                                                     
DIVERSION":                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
      Project cost $47 million, will add ~10% energy                                                                         
      Substantial completion on July 22, 2020                                                                                
      Project diverts  runoff  from   Battle  Creek  into                                                                    
        Bradley   Lake   expanding   the   state's   largest                                                                    
        hydroelectric facility                                                                                                  
      Includes three miles  of  road, concrete  diversion                                                                    
        dam, and  a five-foot  diameter  pipeline under  the                                                                    
        road to carry water from its source to Bradley Lake                                                                     
      More energy at  lower  cost  can  be  produced  and                                                                    
        delivered to ratepayers                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:09:28 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer stated that the pipe had been orange on purpose.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:10:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer moved to slide 9, "SSQ TRANSMISSION LINE":                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
      39.3 miles of  115-kV  transmission  line  delivers                                                                    
        Bradley Lake hydroelectric generated power                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
      AEA's recent  purchase   allows  for   better  cost                                                                    
        alignment,   increased   reliability,   and   future                                                                    
        prospect for  upgrades  to  the  line,  which  would                                                                    
        decrease line losses  and allow for  increased power                                                                    
        transmission north, and unconstraining Bradley power                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
      Schedule begins  with  preliminary  design  with  6                                                                    
        months,  24  to   36  month  estimate   to  finalize                                                                    
        construction                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer detailed  that the  project  resulted in  better                                                                    
line development and had ended a lawsuit among utilities.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:11:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Hoffman  referenced  the additional  costs  of  $12                                                                    
million  when the  power line  had been  down and  asked how                                                                    
much the increase raised the cost per kilowatt hour.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer agreed  to provide  the  individual numbers  per                                                                    
utility  at a  later time.  He  said that  each utility  had                                                                    
billed differently  depending on the rate  structure of what                                                                    
was expected from Bradley.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Hoffman  commented  that the  dollar  amounts  were                                                                    
important but  thought it  was useful  for the  committee to                                                                    
see the comparison in price  for those that were serviced in                                                                    
the area.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:13:07 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Wilson  understood  the line  originally  owned  by                                                                    
Homer  Electric  and asked  whether  the  damage costs  were                                                                    
reimbursable with federal funds to the utility or to AIDEA.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer stated  that the matter was  being discussed with                                                                    
FEMA. He said that Homer  Electric had repaired the line and                                                                    
brought the  line back  to service, for  which it  should be                                                                    
reimbursed. He said that the  state had yet to be reimbursed                                                                    
by the federal government.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wilson understood that some  utilities had wanted to                                                                    
repair the line  quickly and that Homer  Electric had denied                                                                    
them access to the line.  He wondered who would maintain the                                                                    
line and make repairs.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer stated  that a  lawsuit had  revolved around  an                                                                    
anti-trust matter and  that there had been  no lawsuits when                                                                    
the line  was down. He stated  it was a Homer  Electric line                                                                    
and it was their responsibility  to bring it back online. He                                                                    
said that there was a  current agreement with Homer Electric                                                                    
to maintain the line, but in  the event that they could not,                                                                    
any other utility could bring the line back up.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:15:57 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer reviewed slide 10, "ALASKA INTERTIE":                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
      170 mile-long transmission line from Willow to Healy                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
      Allows Golden Valley Electric Association (GVEA) to                                                                    
        connect to and benefit from lower cost power                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
      Improves reliability within Railbelt system                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
      Operated by AEA and Railbelt utilities                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
      Between 2008 and 2018, the Intertie provided an                                                                        
        average annual cost savings of $40 million to GVEA                                                                      
        customers                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer thought  it was  important  to note  that on  an                                                                    
average, Golden  Valley received a $40  million benefit from                                                                    
being  able to  buy power  in the  Anchorage market  cheaper                                                                    
than  it could  be produced  in  the Fairbanks  market.   He                                                                    
thought it was an  important comparison when considering the                                                                    
Power Cost Equalization Fund.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:16:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman asked  about the $40 million  in annual cost                                                                    
savings and asked how the  amount worked out to per kilowatt                                                                    
cost.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer replied that he  could provide the numbers to the                                                                    
committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman thought  it would be helpful  to have future                                                                    
presentations  include  the  per kilowatt  numbers  so  they                                                                    
could understand  the reduction  in costs  to Alaskans  as a                                                                    
result of the projects.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Bishop added that when  the Fairbanks area was able                                                                    
to utilize  Bradley Lake the savings  was approximately $.02                                                                    
per kilowatt hour.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:18:24 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman thought  AEA  had put  together a  summary                                                                    
page with  comparative analysis of different  energy sources                                                                    
a couple of  years previously to compare  cost per kilowatt.                                                                    
He requested  an updated summary  as costs across  the state                                                                    
varied substantially.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Bishop  asked whether Mr. Thayer  could provide the                                                                    
information to the committee.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer replied in the affirmative.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:19:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Bishop  asked about the existing  estimate to fully                                                                    
upgrade the existing intertie to  realize the full potential                                                                    
of power generated by the Bradley Lake Hydroelectric plant.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer said  that it  was approximately  $1 billion  in                                                                    
different segments. He noted a  future slide would provide a                                                                    
breakdown.  He said  that many  constraining issues  were in                                                                    
the Kenai Peninsula.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Bishop  asked for an approximate  cost estimate for                                                                    
building the Road Belt Intertie.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer stated that the  cost was an estimated $1 million                                                                    
per mile, or $315 million.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:21:25 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wielechowski was curious  about what Mr. Thayer knew                                                                    
about  federal  support  for  a  natural  gas  pipeline.  He                                                                    
acknowledged that the project would not be under AEA.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer replied that he did  not know the thoughts on the                                                                    
federal level concerning the natural gas pipeline.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:22:04 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson asked  why Bradley  Lake,  being a  renewable                                                                    
resource,  was  half  the  cost  of natural  gas     a  non-                                                                    
renewable resource.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer  relayed  that   hydropower  was  generally  the                                                                    
cheapest form  of power. He  continued that AEA  was working                                                                    
on  various  ways to  divert  water  and add  generators  to                                                                    
increase energy capacity and maximize  the most power out of                                                                    
Bradley Lake.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson referenced the recent  natural disaster in the                                                                    
State of Texas in which many  areas of the state lost power.                                                                    
He asked  whether there were  power redundancies  that could                                                                    
ensure power loss during a natural or man-made disaster.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer answered in the  negative. He mentioned there was                                                                    
power  generation  in  Homer,   Mat-Su,  and  Fairbanks.  He                                                                    
relayed  that  the transmission  line  was  not a  redundant                                                                    
system and a second lines were being considered.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:24:42 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman recalled that it  had been the AIDEA rather                                                                    
than  AEA   that  had  presented  the   committee  with  the                                                                    
information regarding  different energy  source comparisons.                                                                    
He   apologized  and   said  that   he  would   provide  the                                                                    
information to the committee and AEA.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:25:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer spoke  to slide 11, "MAXIMIZING  CLEAN ENERGY FOR                                                                    
RAILBELT":                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
      Soldotna Quartz Creek (and Substation)  $70 Million                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
      Bernice Lake Beluga HVDC  $185.3 Million                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
      Grid Stabilization HVDC  $115 Million                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
      University Dave's Creek 230kV  $57.5 Million                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
      Bradley Lake Expansion (Spillway Raise)  $4 Million                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer spoke  to  each project  and  mentioned AEA  was                                                                    
looking at grid stabilization using batteries.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:27:30 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman wanted a brief  synopsis of the Healy Clean                                                                    
Coal Project.  He asked about  potential integration  of the                                                                    
coal plant at the University of Alaska Fairbanks.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer  noted that the  projects were within  the Golden                                                                    
Valley service territory. He said  he would reach out to the                                                                    
utility for the information.                                                                                                    
Senator  Hoffman asked  about  a timeline  for the  projects                                                                    
listed on the slide. He asked  for a synopsis to include how                                                                    
much customers would  save on a kilowatt per  hour basis. He                                                                    
thought  it  would  be interesting  to  compare  power  cost                                                                    
reductions  between projects.  He  emphasized that  reducing                                                                    
the  cost of  energy for  Alaskans  was one  of his  highest                                                                    
priorities. He  pointed out that the  governor had mentioned                                                                    
reducing energy costs in his  State of the State address. He                                                                    
highlighted  AEAs  mission  to lower  costs and  wished that                                                                    
the information was reflected in the presentation.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer responded  that the  following year  the Bradley                                                                    
bonds would  be entirely  paid off, and  there would  be $12                                                                    
million  available  to  benefit  the  state.  He  said  that                                                                    
looking  at  bonding $12  million  over  the next  29  years                                                                    
provided $250  to $300 million  worth of work that  could be                                                                    
done  on the  lines without  affecting the  state budget  or                                                                    
rate payers.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:31:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer  continued to address Senator  Hoffman's remarks.                                                                    
He summarized  that the  AEA was  working with  utilities on                                                                    
each project and would provide more information.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Hoffman  thought  what Mr.  Thayer  described  fell                                                                    
under  AEA's mission  statement. He  reiterated that  he was                                                                    
looking forward  to seeing how  AEA planned to  lower energy                                                                    
costs  in the  areas  of  the state  that  paid the  highest                                                                    
rates,  namely  the  rural areas  of  Western  and  Northern                                                                    
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:33:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  asked whether AEA was  involved in support                                                                    
of the Kake Gunnuk Creek Hydroelectric Project.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer  believed that  AEA  was  involved in  the  Kake                                                                    
project, but that  the authority was in involved  in over 30                                                                    
projects. He relayed that he would provide the information.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman expressed  concern that  after putting  in                                                                    
the  hydroelectric  plant,  the   rates  for  residents  had                                                                    
increased.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer agreed to look into the matter.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:34:35 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator von Imhof surmised  that providing affordable energy                                                                    
to every part of the state had always been a challenge.                                                                         
She  mentioned  environmental concerns,  cultural  concerns,                                                                    
and the  fact that often  the projects crossed  over private                                                                    
and  public land.  She added  that the  projects took  time,                                                                    
effort, and negotiation.  She noticed that slide  11 did not                                                                    
include tidal energy.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer stated that AEA had  looked at the topic of tidal                                                                    
energy. He shared  that there were challenges  with the tide                                                                    
and potential  damage to tidal  projects from silt.  He said                                                                    
that there  were no  active tidal  projects under  review at                                                                    
the current time.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:36:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer   showed  slide  12,  "ALASKA   CARGO  AND  COLD                                                                    
STORAGE":                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
      AEA was awarded $21 million USDOT BUILD grant to                                                                       
        participate  in  the  construction  of  a  ~715,000-                                                                    
        square-foot $220 million state-of-the-art  air cargo                                                                    
        and  cold  storage  facility  at   the  Ted  Stevens                                                                    
        Anchorage International Airport (ANC)                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
      AEA will deliver its expertise in renewable energy                                                                     
        design and operation to make the building a                                                                             
        showpiece in energy-efficiency                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
      The  project    will    enhance   ANC's    shipping                                                                    
        infrastructure, improve Alaska's supply chain                                                                           
        security, and create jobs for Alaskans         2,075                                                                    
        construction jobs and 120 full-time jobs                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer noted that the  $21 million grant was the largest                                                                    
awarded on the West Coast.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:38:04 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer showed slide 13, "POWER COST EQUALIZATION."                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer addressed slide 14, "POWER COST EQUALIZATION":                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
      Power Cost Equalization (PCE) provides electric                                                                        
        power to rural residential customers and community                                                                      
        facilities at costs similar those in Anchorage,                                                                         
        Fairbanks, and Juneau                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
      194-eligible communities see the benefits of PCE                                                                       
        credits                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
    In Fiscal Year 2020, $29.6 million was disbursed                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
      PCE Endowment Fund created capitalized in Fiscal                                                                       
        Year 2001; the now ~$1.1 billion                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer stated that the  disbursement number for 2021 was                                                                    
expected to be higher due to the rising cost of energy.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:39:58 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator von Imhof  understood that PCE Fund was  used to pay                                                                    
for  lowering the  cost  of  energy in  rural  parts of  the                                                                    
state. She asked whether there was  a way to use some of the                                                                    
PCE funds  to invest  in capital  projects that  would lower                                                                    
the costs of energy for a community in perpetuity.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer thought the matter  signified policy call for the                                                                    
legislature and the  governor. He added that in  the area of                                                                    
bulk  fuel,  federal dollars  could  be  used if  a  funding                                                                    
mechanism was provided.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator  von  Imhof  thought  Mr.  Thayer  was  correct  and                                                                    
leveraging  federal  dollars was  an  area  to explore.  She                                                                    
added  that battery  storage and  alternative energy  should                                                                    
also be expanded.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:42:11 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Hoffman  thanked  Mr.  Thayer for  his  answer.  He                                                                    
reminded that the legislature sets  policy. He restated that                                                                    
he  represented  the  communities  in  the  state  with  the                                                                    
highest cost  for energy. He  stressed that the  PCE program                                                                    
reduced  energy  costs  to  rural   areas,  but  that  those                                                                    
residents still  paid significantly higher costs  for energy                                                                    
than in urban areas of the state.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Bishop referenced  an amendment to a  gas line bill                                                                    
a few years previously that  would lower costs for energy in                                                                    
rural Alaska. He  said that if a gas  line ever materialized                                                                    
it would benefit rural Alaska.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:44:27 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer  reviewed  slide   15,  "PCE  ENDOWMENT  HISTORY                                                                    
(THOUSANDS)," which  showed a  table that  with data  on the                                                                    
beginning balance and inflows  and outflows of the endowment                                                                    
from FY 16 through FY 20.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:44:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer showed slide 16, "RURAL ENERGY."                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer   discussed  slide   17,  "RURAL   POWER  SYSTEM                                                                    
UPGRADES":                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
      ~197 communities eligible for Rural Power System                                                                       
        Upgrade (RPSU)                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
      Goal improve power system efficiency, safety, and                                                                      
        reliability                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
   Aging infrastructure and Operation and Maintenance                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
      Active projects  7 full and 16 Maintenance and                                                                         
        Improvement/Diesel Emissions Reduction Act                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
      Deferred maintenance $327 million                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer drew  attention  to the  photo  showing a  green                                                                    
generator  and  shared  that  it was  from  the  village  of                                                                    
Tuluksak,  which  was  currently   operating  with  two  new                                                                    
generators.  He said  that the  private sector  was used  to                                                                    
build new powerhouse in the  community. He lamented the $327                                                                    
million of deferred maintenance  and noted that the previous                                                                    
year  the  legislature  had   appropriated  $5  million  for                                                                    
deferred maintenance.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:46:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Wilson asked  whether AEA  ensured maintenance  and                                                                    
ongoing operation of powerhouses  and generation systems for                                                                    
rural energy upgrades.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer  described that AEA looked  at communities' needs                                                                    
for  power   generation  and  assessed  the   needs  of  the                                                                    
powerhouses using  3-D modeling to identify  problems within                                                                    
the structure. He  said that in the  approximately 200 rural                                                                    
communities served by  AEA, 150 had a  relationship with the                                                                    
utility, which helped with maintenance.  He cited that about                                                                    
50 small  communities in  rural Alaska  (with less  than 250                                                                    
people) were  dependent on AEA  for maintenance.  He thought                                                                    
AEA had  assumed the  moral obligation to  take care  of the                                                                    
communities.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:49:00 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Bishop asked whether Mr.  Thayer could turn back to                                                                    
slide 15.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman asked about  transfers and appropriations to                                                                    
Other Funds, in FY  19 and FY 20, as listed  on slide 15. He                                                                    
stated  that  the  administration   had  proposed,  and  the                                                                    
legislature had agreed, on those  transfers, but he believed                                                                    
that  the legislature  should  reevaluate  the spending.  He                                                                    
lamented  that  dollars were  taken  from  PCE and  used  to                                                                    
subsidize the  administration and thought the  dollars could                                                                    
be better  spent to lower  energy costs in rural  Alaska. He                                                                    
thought that  money should  not be  diverted from  a program                                                                    
that was  assisting the highest  energy costs in  the state,                                                                    
which were communities on PCE.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:51:00 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson discussed  upgrades and  asked whether  there                                                                    
was a difference in eligibility  for Alaska Village Electric                                                                    
Cooperative (AVEC) versus a community powerhouse.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer answered  in the  negative and  stated that  AEA                                                                    
looked  at  the  individual  needs  of  each  community.  He                                                                    
continued that  that AVEC  provided maintenance  to villages                                                                    
it was  responsible for which  meant the  generational units                                                                    
had a longer lifespan.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson  asked  about   solar  power  upgrades  being                                                                    
marketed in  communities such  as Unalakleet  for individual                                                                    
homeowners.  He  wondered   whether  those  residents  could                                                                    
benefit from the AEA monies.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Thayer  responded   that  AEA   was  responsible   for                                                                    
powerhouses but not for upgrades on a house-by-house basis.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson  asked whether Mr.  Thayer supported  net back                                                                    
metering.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer  thought that there  was a  lot to the  issue and                                                                    
that he should refrain from speculating on the matter.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:53:04 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer addressed  slide  18,  "RPSU PROJECTS  REQUIRING                                                                    
FUNDING":                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
        FY2022 RPSU Capital Requests                                                                                            
         Napaskiak                                                                                                           
         Nelson Lagoon                                                                                                       
         Nikolai                                                                                                             
         Rampart                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
        Next RPSU Priorities                                                                                                    
         Beaver                                                                                                              
         Buckland                                                                                                            
         Chefornak                                                                                                           
         Chenega Bay                                                                                                         
         Chuathbaluk                                                                                                         
         Crooked Creek                                                                                                       
         Elfin Cove                                                                                                          
         Golovin                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer  announced that if  the state were to  receive $5                                                                    
million in funding  it could be parlayed  into $12.5 million                                                                    
federal  dollars, which  would be  used for  the first  four                                                                    
projects on  the slide. The  slide contained a picture  of a                                                                    
new powerhouse and an older powerhouse.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:53:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson asked whether there  was a timeline associated                                                                    
with the next rural power system upgrades.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer said  that if  the capital  appropriation of  $5                                                                    
million  were  received,  the top  four  projects  would  be                                                                    
funded.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:54:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson  asked whether the  timeline was 3 to  5 years                                                                    
for the current date.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer  responded in  the  affirmative    provided  the                                                                    
funding was received.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:54:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman  asked why the  $5 million was  not included                                                                    
in a request by the  administration to lower energy costs in                                                                    
rural areas.  He stressed  that the  AEA should  be focusing                                                                    
their energy on the areas of  the state that had the highest                                                                    
energy costs.  He contended  that if  AEA was  following its                                                                    
mission, there  would be something in  the presentation that                                                                    
reflected  lowing  the  cost   of  energy  to  Alaskans  who                                                                    
currently paid the highest rates.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Bishop  asked  about  AEA's  absorption  rate  for                                                                    
projects.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer replied  that AEA  currently had  capacity, with                                                                    
federal funds,  to increase staff  and double the  number of                                                                    
powerhouses. He reminded that the  powerhouses were built by                                                                    
the  private  sector  to AEA's  specifications  and  project                                                                    
management. He  announced that there  was capacity  to build                                                                    
additional powerhouses.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Bishop appreciated the information.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:57:30 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer moved to slide 19, "BULK FUEL UPGRADE":                                                                              
      ~400 rural bulk fuel facilities                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
      Goal code compliant fuel storage facilities and                                                                        
        prevention of spills and contamination                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
      Aging infrastructure, erosion, and catastrophic                                                                        
        failure                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
      Active projects 8 full and 18 Maintenance and                                                                          
        Improvement No funding for two years                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
      Leveraging Coast Guard regulatory efforts to capture                                                                   
        BFU assessments to prioritize projects                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
      Deferred maintenance $800 million                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer  said some bulk  fuel stations were built  in the                                                                    
1960s and  1970s. He stated  that the bulk fuel  program had                                                                    
not  been funded  for the  previous two  years. He  revealed                                                                    
that  between  the  bulk fuel  and  powerhouse  maintenance,                                                                    
deferred maintenance totaled $1.1 billion.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:59:01 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer  reviewed  slide  20,  "BFU  PROJECTS  REQUIRING                                                                    
FUNDING":                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
        FY2022 BFU Capital Requests                                                                                             
         Ekwok                                                                                                               
         Marshall                                                                                                            
         Shageluk                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
        Next BFU Priorities                                                                                                     
         Minto                                                                                                               
         Noatak                                                                                                              
         Nondalton                                                                                                           
         Shungnak                                                                                                            
         Togiak                                                                                                              
         Tuluksak                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer explained  that the fuel containers  did not have                                                                    
containment  barriers  or  had  rotted.  He  said  that  the                                                                    
capital request  could be  parlayed into  a grant  to tackle                                                                    
the projects.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:59:49 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Bishop  asked  whether  AEA  had  a  standard  for                                                                    
containment.  He  thought  slide  19  and  slide  20  showed                                                                    
different standards for containment.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer  answered that  it would depend  on the  needs of                                                                    
the individual community. He  related that large containment                                                                    
was  preferred but  it  would depend  on  the community  and                                                                    
where the location of the bulk fuel tank.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Bishop asked  whether  there  was some  regulation                                                                    
driving  the containment  choices  since  the United  States                                                                    
Coast Guard was involved.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer replied in the affirmative.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:00:49 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson looked at slide 20 and asked whether the                                                                          
picture   depicted   primary    containment   or   secondary                                                                    
containment.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer affirmed that the picture showed primary                                                                             
containment only.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:01:17 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer spoke to slide 21, "OPERATOR TRAINING":                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
      Cooperatively AEA and AVTEC train community                                                                            
        operators                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
      Skills  acquired   include   routine   maintenance,                                                                    
        troubleshooting, and supply management                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
      In Calendar Year 2020, 24 Power Plant Operators and                                                                    
        21 Bulk Fuel Operators successfully completed                                                                           
        training from 21 communities                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer noted that much of these practices have been                                                                         
augmented due to Covid-19.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:01:50 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer discussed slide 22, " TRAINING AND TECHNICAL                                                                         
SUPPORT - January 1 through December 31, 2020":                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Circuit Rider and Itinerant Bulk Fuel Operator Onsite                                                                    
     Training                                                                                                                 
          Number after the community indicates number of                                                                        
          staff trips; 30 communities visited with 64 total                                                                     
          staff trips.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
          Akhiok(2)                                                                                                             
          Akiachak(3)                                                                                                           
          Akiak(1)                                                                                                              
          Atmautluak(2)                                                                                                         
          Central(2)                                                                                                            
          Chefornak(2)                                                                                                          
          Chignik Bay(2)                                                                                                        
          Chignik Lake(4)                                                                                                       
          Chitina(1)                                                                                                            
          Circle(4)                                                                                                             
          Clarks Point(1)                                                                                                       
          Elfin Cove(2)                                                                                                         
          False Pass(2)                                                                                                         
          Fort Yukon(2)                                                                                                         
          Iliamna(3)                                                                                                            
          King Cove(2)                                                                                                          
          Kwethluk(2)                                                                                                           
          Larsen Bay(2)                                                                                                         
          Napaskiak(2)                                                                                                          
          Ouzinkie(1)                                                                                                           
          Pedro Bay(2)                                                                                                          
          Pelican(2)                                                                                                            
          Perryville(1)                                                                                                         
          Port Heiden(1)                                                                                                        
          Seward AVTEC(3)                                                                                                       
          Takotna(1)                                                                                                            
          Tenakee Springs(2)                                                                                                    
          Tuluksak(7)                                                                                                           
          Twin Hills(1)                                                                                                         
          Venetie(2)                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer showed slide 23, "TRAINING AND TECHNICAL SUPPORT                                                                     
- January 1 through December 31, 2020":                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Power Plant and Bulk Fuel Operator AVTEC Training                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Number after the community indicates number of                                                                             
     operators from community trained; 21 communities 32                                                                        
     operators.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
          Anchorage(4)                                                                                                          
          Alakanuk(1)                                                                                                           
          Ambler(1)                                                                                                             
          Atmautluak(1)                                                                                                         
          Auke Bay(1)                                                                                                           
          Birch Creek(4)                                                                                                        
          Chenega Bay(1)                                                                                                        
          Chignik Lake(1)                                                                                                       
          Diomede(1)                                                                                                            
          Edna Bay(2)                                                                                                           
          Golovin(1)                                                                                                            
          Iliamna(1)                                                                                                            
          Kalskag(1)                                                                                                            
          Kipnuk(1)                                                                                                             
          Nikolai(2)                                                                                                            
          Nunapitchuk(3)                                                                                                        
          Ouzinkie(1)                                                                                                           
          Pedro Bay(1)                                                                                                          
          Pilot Station(1)                                                                                                      
          Ruby(1)                                                                                                               
          Unalakleet (2)                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer referenced slide 24, "TRAINING AND TECHNICAL                                                                         
SUPPORT - January 1 through December 31, 2020":                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Circuit Rider Real-Time Remote Assistance                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Number after the community indicates number of                                                                             
     distinct responses for assistance; 85 communities 452                                                                      
     total responses":                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
          Adak(1)                                                                                                               
          Akhiok(2)                                                                                                             
          Akiachak(8)                                                                                                           
          Akiak(16)                                                                                                             
          AncANTHC(4)                                                                                                           
          AncDCRA(1)                                                                                                            
          AncFEMA(2)                                                                                                            
          AncPMC(1)                                                                                                             
          AncSEOC(2)                                                                                                            
          Angoon(5)                                                                                                             
          Arctic Village(1)                                                                                                     
          Atmautluak(11)                                                                                                        
          Atka(3)                                                                                                               
          Beaver (4)                                                                                                            
          Bethel Calista(2)                                                                                                     
          Birch Creek(1)                                                                                                        
          Buckland(4)                                                                                                           
          Central(5)                                                                                                            
          ChenegaBay(5)                                                                                                         
          ChignikBay(7)                                                                                                         
          ChignikLagoon(5)                                                                                                      
          ChignikLake(5)                                                                                                        
          Chitina(9)                                                                                                            
          Chefornak(3)                                                                                                          
          Circle(6)                                                                                                             
          Clarks Point(42)                                                                                                      
          Crooked Creek(4)                                                                                                      
          Deering(1)                                                                                                            
          Diomede(10)                                                                                                           
          Egegik(7)                                                                                                             
          Elfin Cove(6)                                                                                                         
          Emmonak(1)                                                                                                            
          Fairbanks UAF(1)                                                                                                      
          Fairbanks TCC(2)                                                                                                      
          False Pass(3)                                                                                                         
          Fort Yukon(3)                                                                                                         
          Galena(1)                                                                                                             
          Gambell(1)                                                                                                            
          Hoonah(4)                                                                                                             
          Hughes(4)                                                                                                             
          Igiugig(6)                                                                                                            
          Juneau IPEC(1)                                                                                                        
          Kake(10)                                                                                                              
          Karluk(2)                                                                                                             
          King Cove(2)                                                                                                          
          Kipnuk(8)                                                                                                             
          Kobuk(1)                                                                                                              
          Kokhanok(3)                                                                                                           
          Kongiganak(3)                                                                                                         
          Koyuk(1)                                                                                                              
          Koyukuk(1)                                                                                                            
          Kwethluk(17)                                                                                                          
          Kwigillingok(9)                                                                                                       
          Larsen Bay(5)                                                                                                         
          Levelock(7)                                                                                                           
          Manokotak(1)                                                                                                          
          McGrath(5)                                                                                                            
          McGrath MKEC(1)                                                                                                       
          Mertarvik(11)                                                                                                         
          Napakiak(5)                                                                                                           
          Napaskiak(1)                                                                                                          
          Newhalen(1)                                                                                                           
          Newtok(3)                                                                                                             
          Nikolia(5)                                                                                                            
          NunamIqua(2)                                                                                                          
          Ouzinkie(18)                                                                                                          
          Pedro Bay(7)                                                                                                          
          Pelican(22)                                                                                                           
          Perryville(1)                                                                                                         
          Pilot Point(1)                                                                                                        
          Platinum(1)                                                                                                           
          Point Hope(1)                                                                                                         
          Port Heiden(10)                                                                                                       
          Rampart(1)                                                                                                            
          Ruby(7)                                                                                                               
          Saint George(3)                                                                                                       
          Stevens Village(5)                                                                                                    
          Takotna(3)                                                                                                            
          Tatitlek(8)                                                                                                           
          Tazimina(3)                                                                                                           
          TenakeeSprings(3)                                                                                                     
          Tuluksak(28)                                                                                                          
          TuluksakSchool(1)                                                                                                     
          Tuntutuliak(1)                                                                                                        
          Ugashik(1)                                                                                                            
          Venetie(1)                                                                                                            
          Wales(1)                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:02:38 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer reviewed slide 25, "DENALI COMMISSION":                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
      Partners since inception and continuing over the                                                                       
        last 23 years                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
      Active awards  $33.3 million (as of 2/7/21)                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
      Anticipated additional federal funding this year                                                                       
        $6 million                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:03:17 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer showed slide 26, "GRANTS and LOANS."                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer discussed slide 27, "RENEWABLE ENERGY FUND":                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
      Renewable Energy Fund (REF) helps Alaskans reduce                                                                      
        and stabilize the cost of energy                                                                                        
      $268 million invested in REF by the State                                                                              
      99 operational projects, 27 in development                                                                             
      Round 13 recommendation submitted to Legislature                                                                       
        January 2021                                                                                                            
      REF program will sunset on June 20, 2023                                                                               
    Approximately $6.5 million available for Round 13                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:04:02 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer addressed slide 28, "POWER PROJECT FUND":                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
      Dedicated to power projects, the Project Power Fund                                                                    
       (PPF) is available to for qualified borrowers                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
      PPF is critical as grant funding is eliminated                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
      Requires review for technical and fiscal viability                                                                     
      $31 million in outstanding loans                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
      $10.7 million uncommitted cash balance available for                                                                   
        lending                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
      8 applications pending for a total of $10.4 million                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
      Low interest rates to encourage innovative power                                                                       
        project applications                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer  thought  it  was  important  to  note  that  in                                                                    
addition  to the  funding one  of the  largest hydroelectric                                                                    
projects in Southeast Alaska, AEA  had also financed a solar                                                                    
farm in Willow  and a wind farm in Fairbanks.  He noted that                                                                    
AEA's current interest rate was 2.85 percent.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:05:16 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman asked  Mr. Thayer to review  his mention of                                                                    
a project in Southeast.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer  discussed  a Hiilangaay  hydroelectric  project                                                                    
near  Ketchikan  on Prince  of  Wales  Island. He  said  the                                                                    
project was run by Haida Electric.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Stedman  asked   whether  there   had  been   any                                                                    
restructuring  of  loan  terms  or whether  there  were  any                                                                    
borrowers in arrears.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer  relayed that no  one was in default  or arrears.                                                                    
He shared  that some borrowers  had refinanced as  rates had                                                                    
dropped.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:06:53 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  von Imhof  referenced the  company  with good  cash                                                                    
flow to  pay down  loans. She asked  whether Mr.  Thayer was                                                                    
confirming that  customers were  buying into  energy sources                                                                    
and lowering the costs for users.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer  answered in the  affirmative. He  explained that                                                                    
AEA had two  types of loans. He shared that  one loan had no                                                                    
interest for the first seven  years. He relayed that most of                                                                    
AEA's loans went to residents  of local communities or local                                                                    
governments.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:08:31 AM                                                                                                                   
Co-Chair Stedman asked whether  Mr. Thayer had mentioned no-                                                                    
interest payments for the first  seven years, or no interest                                                                    
only.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer replied  that the loan structure  had been deemed                                                                    
to be interest free for the  first seven years. He said that                                                                    
principal only  was currently being  paid on PPF  loans, and                                                                    
interest payments would not begin for another 5.5 years.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:09:21 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer   showed  slide   29,  "OPERATING   and  CAPITAL                                                                    
BUDGETS."                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer  reviewed  slide 30,  "FY2022  OPERATING  BUDGET                                                                    
(THOUSANDS),"  which showed  a  table  illustrating the  AEA                                                                    
budget. He described that AEA's  personal services were paid                                                                    
to  AIDEA.  He  anticipated  that PCE  would  increase  with                                                                    
higher fuel  costs. He discussed  funding sources.  He noted                                                                    
that the  Office of Management and  Budget had re-designated                                                                    
UGF funds  to come  from the PCE  endowment. He  stated that                                                                    
with  the exception  of PCE,  the budget  remained unchanged                                                                    
from FY 21.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:10:53 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman  requested a breakdown of  the three funding                                                                    
categories and how  much AEA was proposing to  take from the                                                                    
PCE   Fund  that   was  not   authorized   by  statute   for                                                                    
administration.  He requested  information  on  how much  in                                                                    
state  resources, in  UGF, had  been  committed to  lowering                                                                    
energy  costs for  Alaskans over  the  last ten  years.   He                                                                    
believed the  state was  completely eliminating  support for                                                                    
energy relief to those who needed it most.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer   agreed  to  provide  a   response  to  Senator                                                                    
Hoffmans concerns.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:12:43 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer  spoke  to  slide  31,  "FY2022  CAPITAL  BUDGET                                                                    
(THOUSANDS)," which  showed a table with  the capital budget                                                                    
request  for FY  22. He  detailed  that AEA  was asking  for                                                                    
federal receipt  authority on alternative energy  and energy                                                                    
efficiency   programs.   He   mentioned  that   with   AEA's                                                                    
partnership with  the Denali Commission  and noted  that the                                                                    
authority  needed  legislative  approval for  acceptance  of                                                                    
federal funds. He reiterated the  importance for the funding                                                                    
for bulk fuel  upgrades. He hoped that  the state investment                                                                    
could be parlayed  into a federal receipt  authority of over                                                                    
$30 million. He spoke to supplemental capital requests.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:14:57 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Hoffman   recalled  that  the   previous  truncated                                                                    
legislative session that  was cut short due  to Covid-19. He                                                                    
asked about  capital funds  that had  not been  approved and                                                                    
queried  how  much  had been  foregone  in  federal  dollars                                                                    
during the past two years.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer  replied that rural  powerhouse funding  had been                                                                    
received for last year but  not for the two preceding years,                                                                    
which left  $25 million  in federal funds  on the  table. He                                                                    
added that  approximately $15 million  had been left  on the                                                                    
table for  bulk fuel  due to  a non-match.  Combined, nearly                                                                    
$40 million federal match had been left uncapitalized.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman queried the match ratio.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer said that the ratio was 2:1.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Hoffman   thought  the  committee  should   take  a                                                                    
stronger look at the matter  and ensure that federal dollars                                                                    
were maximized to  reduce energy costs for  residents of the                                                                    
state.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:16:51 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  suggested that  the committee  staff, with                                                                    
the  assistance  of AEA,  put  together  a 5-year  synopsis,                                                                    
including FY  22, to explore  potential loss  of opportunity                                                                    
because of  unrealized federal funds.  He believed  that the                                                                    
state  should be  working  to maximize  the  use of  federal                                                                    
dollars.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:17:33 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wielechowski  was curious  whether there  were other                                                                    
federal funding  opportunities the  state might  be eligible                                                                    
that were not listed on the slide.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer shared  that the federal Covid  bill package that                                                                    
passed in  December of  2020 provided  several opportunities                                                                    
for  the  state to  take  advantage  for federal  match.  He                                                                    
continued that AEA was working through the bill.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Wielechowski  asked  whether  the  committee  could                                                                    
expect  a supplemental  request if  AEA found  opportunities                                                                    
before the FY 22 budget process was complete.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer   thought  it  was   possible  but   noted  that                                                                    
regulations had yet to be  completed for the various funding                                                                    
opportunities for state agencies.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:19:17 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Bishop referenced  slide  31. He  asked about  the                                                                    
$17.5 thousand  for Rural Power  Systems Upgrades.  He spoke                                                                    
to Slide 18 and mentioned the  $5 million for the first four                                                                    
power stations in  the slide. He wondered how  far AEA would                                                                    
get  in meeting  the list  of priorities  if the  budget was                                                                    
approved.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer replied  that he would get back  to the committee                                                                    
with the information.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:20:17 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer   turned  to  slide  32,   "UNAUDITED  FINANCIAL                                                                    
HIGHLIGHTS (THOUSANDS),"  which showed  a table  listing and                                                                    
unaudited balance  sheet of assets and  deferred outflows of                                                                    
resources and  liabilities and net position.   He reiterated                                                                    
that there were no surprises listed on the slide.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:21:06 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer  advanced  to  slide  33,  "UNAUDITED  FINANCIAL                                                                    
HIGHLIGHTS  (THOUSANDS),"  which  showed a  table  detailing                                                                    
revenue,  expenses, and  changes in  net position.  He noted                                                                    
that there was a decrease in  the net position of $1 billion                                                                    
due to  PCE having been swept  on June 30, 2021.  He relayed                                                                    
that on  the next  set of financials  it would  be reflected                                                                    
that the $1 billion was back as of July 1, 2021.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:21:46 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer showed  slide 34,  "SUSITNA-WATANA HYDROELECTRIC                                                                    
PROJECT."                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer reviewed slide 35, "SUSITNA-WATANA HYDROELECTRIC                                                                     
PROJECT":                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
      Dam Height  705 feet                                                                                                   
      Dam Elevation  2,065 Feet MSL                                                                                          
      Reservoir Length  ~42 miles                                                                                            
      Reservoir Width  ~1.25 miles                                                                                           
      Installed Capacity  459-619 MW                                                                                         
      Annual Energy  2,800,000 MWh                                                                                           
      Cost  ~$5.655 billion (2014$)                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer  said  that  there  were  a  lot  of  additional                                                                    
interest from  companies looking  to invest in  the project.                                                                    
He  noted that  the project  would take  the Railbelt  to 60                                                                    
percent renewable once complete.  He shared that the numbers                                                                    
reflected  on  the slide  were  2014  numbers and  would  be                                                                    
revisited to reflect current numerics.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:23:55 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer addressed slide 36, "SUSITNA-WATANA ECONOMICS":                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
         Benefit-Cost and    Economic   Impact   Analyses                                                                    
          completed in 2015                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
             o Based on 2014 projection of natural gas                                                                          
               prices:                                                                                                          
                  square4 Benefit-cost ratio of 2.39 from energy                                                                
                    savings alone                                                                                               
                  square4 $11.2 billion (2014$) in energy savings                                                               
                    over first 50 years                                                                                         
                  square4 $4.7 billion (2014$) in capital and O&M                                                               
                    costs over first 50 years                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer looked at slide 37, "SUSITNA-WATANA STATUS":                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
         Integrated Licensing Process                                                                                        
         2/3 of the way done; $193 Million invested                                                                          
         Cost to complete ~$100 million for license                                                                          
         58 FERC-approved studies:                                                                                           
             o Implemented 2012-2017                                                                                            
             o 19 studies completed                                                                                             
             o 39 significant progress made                                                                                     
         Initial Study Report filed with FERC                                                                                
                                                                                                                             
10:24:28 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman thought it would  be helpful to examine the                                                                    
spin rate and  distribution costs in comparison  to the rate                                                                    
paid by customers.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:25:23 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Bishop  understood  that  $193  million  had  been                                                                    
invested in  the project and  another $100 million  would be                                                                    
needed to complete the FERC license.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer answered in the affirmative.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:26:01 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Wilson commented  that it  seemed that  the current                                                                    
administration  had put  the project  on pause  and that  it                                                                    
would be good for the FERC license to be completed.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Bishop thanked Senator Wilson for his comment.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Bishop  commented that the  project was a  good one                                                                    
and be a priority.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:27:22 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer turned to slide 38:                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     AEA provides energy solutions to meet the unique needs                                                                     
     and opportunities of Alaska's rural and urban                                                                              
     communities.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman  thought slide 38  was exciting.  He queried                                                                    
what in  the AEA  budget met the  energy solutions  in rural                                                                    
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer  replied that working  with powerhouses  and bulk                                                                    
fuel in  communities and understanding the  individual needs                                                                    
of communities  was critical. He  related that  the purchase                                                                    
of the  SSQ line in  urban areas was resolving  many issues.                                                                    
He thought that  AEA was trying to turn the  corner in rural                                                                    
Alaska  and  working  to  tackle  the  deferred  maintenance                                                                    
issues in that area of the state.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Bishop discussed the agenda for the following day.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
10:30:28 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 10:30 a.m.